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		<title>By: bamboo canes garden</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been contacted by Mr Michael Dwork. He disputes my critiques, I believe my comments to be valid, readers may choose to disregard my previous posts, and should make their own inquires.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Richard   -   Murwillumbah,  Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been contacted by Mr Michael Dwork. He disputes my critiques, I believe my comments to be valid, readers may choose to disregard my previous posts, and should make their own inquires.</p>
<p>Richard   &#8211;   Murwillumbah,  Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to Paul Smith, who is working for Verterra:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Critique of Michael Dwork, founder of Verterra&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am an occasional reader of Time magazine and stumbled upon a business article by Jeremy Caplan on Verterra Dinnerware in the October 13, 2008 edition (Australian) of Time (page 52). Also at: www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1706699_1707550_1846340,00.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jeremy Caplan’s article is careful not to over-state or claim. However, it strongly implies that Michael Dwork had an &quot;idea&quot; in southern India in 2006, that Mr Dwork developed his idea with &quot;engineer friends&quot;, &quot;crossed Asia to find plants for his plates&quot;, &quot;through Laos, Thailand and Cambodia&quot;, &quot;testing dozens&quot;, &quot;in search of the perfect leaf&quot; and so on. Before settling on a palm leaf in southern India - wow. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it should be known that plates and bowls steam-pressed from the leaf-base (sheath) of the Areca (the so called ‘betel nut’) palm (Areca catechu) have been manufactured in southern India since long before 2006.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Indeed, in 2006, steam-pressed Areca palm plates and bowls were already in Indian city stores and on display at trade expos in southern India, and have been imported into Australia with the name of Eco-Vision Bioplate since 2005 or earlier. Areca plates have also been imported into Germany, Switzerland and United Kingdom since or before 2003.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jeremy Caplan’s article includes a photo of Mr Dwork leaning on a small palm tree. I can say, with reasonable certainty, that this small palm is of the species Areca catechu, the common, plantation, Areca palm. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems Mr Dwork copied a well established product (material and method) and imported Areca plates into the US market - which is hardly an &quot;entrepreneurial gamble&quot; and is definitely not an original idea.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr Dwork was a member of the ‘entrepreneurship class’ at Columbia School of Business. Mr Dwork went on, with ‘his idea’, to become the 2007 winner of the A. Lorne Weil Outrageous Business Plan Competition, and received $100,000 in seed funding from the Eugene M. Lang Entrepreneurial Initiative Fund - which is remarkable considering the Lang Fund’s emphasis for originality. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What is outrageous is Michael Dwork appearing to grab the credit and failing to acknowledge Indian ingenuity, Indian producers and Indian exporters who have manufactured quality steam-pressed Areca plates identical to the Verterra product, and who have done so for years before Michael Dwork arrived in 2006.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For a history of the Areca plate visit: &lt;br/&gt;www.ecovision.com.au &lt;br/&gt;www.eco-vision.in/companyprofile.htm&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This limited critique has been sent to the following:&lt;br/&gt;Michael Dwork michael@verterra.com &lt;br/&gt;Jeremy Caplan via Time &lt;br/&gt;Time magazine &lt;br/&gt;Columbia School of Business &lt;br/&gt;United States Patent and Trademark Office&lt;br/&gt;The New York Times &lt;br/&gt;New York Post&lt;br/&gt;And others.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Richard   -   Murwillumbah,  Australia.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;30th October 2008.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Critique of Michael Dwork and Verterra  -  continuation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The overdeveloped salesmanship practiced by Michael Dwork and Verterra includes the assertion that shipping palm leaf sheaths from India to New York is okay because rural people would otherwise only burn the sheaths. This claim by Verterra is deceptive. &lt;br/&gt;Although palm leaves may sometimes be burnt for mosquito control, it is arrogant for Mr Dwork to infer that Indian farmers are not aware of the benefits of putting organic material into the soil (composting/mulch).&lt;br/&gt;Also, in rural India cooking is usually over a fire, and dried palm sheaths are an excellent fuel for the domestic fireplace. Removing Areca palm sheaths from rural areas may have unforeseen impacts, as other sources of cooking fuel need to be collected from the forest or fields. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Verterra are proud to own extensive production facilities in India, which is, no doubt, the optimum for New York based Verterra’s balance sheet. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although Verterra’s facilities provide employment, its wider value for rural development is questionable, and may even be detrimental for rural self-esteem, as the villager labours for the foreign company that stole ‘their’ product. &lt;br/&gt;Other producers of Areca plates include village cooperatives, the greater benefit for rural development would be obvious.&lt;br/&gt;If your concern is to support rural development in India, please consider Areca products from village manufacture.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I like to have Areca palm containers for display in the home. However, from the environmental perspective, the promotion of any single-use dishware is not appropriate - unless intended for areas with serious water shortages.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In Australia, artists make delightful baskets and ‘sculpture’ from the leaf sheaths of the Bangalow palm  Archontophoenix cunninghamiana, which is also an Arecaceae Palmae.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Richard   -   Murwillumbah,  Australia.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes, I am a frequent visitor to India, and I do not have any financial interest in any business associated with Areca products. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;14th November 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to Paul Smith, who is working for Verterra:</p>
<p>Critique of Michael Dwork, founder of Verterra</p>
<p>I am an occasional reader of Time magazine and stumbled upon a business article by Jeremy Caplan on Verterra Dinnerware in the October 13, 2008 edition (Australian) of Time (page 52). Also at: <a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1706699_1707550_1846340,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1706699_1707550_1846340,00.html</a></p>
<p>Jeremy Caplan’s article is careful not to over-state or claim. However, it strongly implies that Michael Dwork had an &#8220;idea&#8221; in southern India in 2006, that Mr Dwork developed his idea with &#8220;engineer friends&#8221;, &#8220;crossed Asia to find plants for his plates&#8221;, &#8220;through Laos, Thailand and Cambodia&#8221;, &#8220;testing dozens&#8221;, &#8220;in search of the perfect leaf&#8221; and so on. Before settling on a palm leaf in southern India &#8211; wow. </p>
<p>I think it should be known that plates and bowls steam-pressed from the leaf-base (sheath) of the Areca (the so called ‘betel nut’) palm (Areca catechu) have been manufactured in southern India since long before 2006.</p>
<p>Indeed, in 2006, steam-pressed Areca palm plates and bowls were already in Indian city stores and on display at trade expos in southern India, and have been imported into Australia with the name of Eco-Vision Bioplate since 2005 or earlier. Areca plates have also been imported into Germany, Switzerland and United Kingdom since or before 2003.</p>
<p>Jeremy Caplan’s article includes a photo of Mr Dwork leaning on a small palm tree. I can say, with reasonable certainty, that this small palm is of the species Areca catechu, the common, plantation, Areca palm. </p>
<p>It seems Mr Dwork copied a well established product (material and method) and imported Areca plates into the US market &#8211; which is hardly an &#8220;entrepreneurial gamble&#8221; and is definitely not an original idea.</p>
<p>Mr Dwork was a member of the ‘entrepreneurship class’ at Columbia School of Business. Mr Dwork went on, with ‘his idea’, to become the 2007 winner of the A. Lorne Weil Outrageous Business Plan Competition, and received $100,000 in seed funding from the Eugene M. Lang Entrepreneurial Initiative Fund &#8211; which is remarkable considering the Lang Fund’s emphasis for originality. </p>
<p>What is outrageous is Michael Dwork appearing to grab the credit and failing to acknowledge Indian ingenuity, Indian producers and Indian exporters who have manufactured quality steam-pressed Areca plates identical to the Verterra product, and who have done so for years before Michael Dwork arrived in 2006.</p>
<p>For a history of the Areca plate visit: <br /><a href="http://www.ecovision.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecovision.com.au</a> <br /><a href="http://www.eco-vision.in/companyprofile.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.eco-vision.in/companyprofile.htm</a></p>
<p>This limited critique has been sent to the following:<br />Michael Dwork <a href="mailto:michael@verterra.com">michael@verterra.com</a> <br />Jeremy Caplan via Time <br />Time magazine <br />Columbia School of Business <br />United States Patent and Trademark Office<br />The New York Times <br />New York Post<br />And others.</p>
<p>Richard   &#8211;   Murwillumbah,  Australia.</p>
<p>30th October 2008.</p>
<p>Critique of Michael Dwork and Verterra  &#8211;  continuation.</p>
<p>The overdeveloped salesmanship practiced by Michael Dwork and Verterra includes the assertion that shipping palm leaf sheaths from India to New York is okay because rural people would otherwise only burn the sheaths. This claim by Verterra is deceptive. <br />Although palm leaves may sometimes be burnt for mosquito control, it is arrogant for Mr Dwork to infer that Indian farmers are not aware of the benefits of putting organic material into the soil (composting/mulch).<br />Also, in rural India cooking is usually over a fire, and dried palm sheaths are an excellent fuel for the domestic fireplace. Removing Areca palm sheaths from rural areas may have unforeseen impacts, as other sources of cooking fuel need to be collected from the forest or fields. </p>
<p>Verterra are proud to own extensive production facilities in India, which is, no doubt, the optimum for New York based Verterra’s balance sheet. </p>
<p>Although Verterra’s facilities provide employment, its wider value for rural development is questionable, and may even be detrimental for rural self-esteem, as the villager labours for the foreign company that stole ‘their’ product. <br />Other producers of Areca plates include village cooperatives, the greater benefit for rural development would be obvious.<br />If your concern is to support rural development in India, please consider Areca products from village manufacture.</p>
<p>I like to have Areca palm containers for display in the home. However, from the environmental perspective, the promotion of any single-use dishware is not appropriate &#8211; unless intended for areas with serious water shortages.  </p>
<p>In Australia, artists make delightful baskets and ‘sculpture’ from the leaf sheaths of the Bangalow palm  Archontophoenix cunninghamiana, which is also an Arecaceae Palmae.</p>
<p>Richard   &#8211;   Murwillumbah,  Australia.</p>
<p>Yes, I am a frequent visitor to India, and I do not have any financial interest in any business associated with Areca products. </p>
<p>14th November 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with your perspective. And I think there are some compostable products that meet a need, in few different ways: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Verterra are plates made entirely from palm leaves and the steam used to shape them. No binders to give them shape and leech into your food as you eat. Yes, they&#039;re ultimately disposable, but they are made from what would otherwise be agricultural waste, burnt. They take very little energy to make, apparently only a bit more than the CEO&#039;s little NYC apartment. They are washable (I&#039;ve used mine more then 10 times now) and compost quickly, no special environment needed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, while using and reusing real plates is desirable ultimately, when a situation calls for other options, Verterra would seem to be a great option. Check them out at www.verterra.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with your perspective. And I think there are some compostable products that meet a need, in few different ways: </p>
<p>Verterra are plates made entirely from palm leaves and the steam used to shape them. No binders to give them shape and leech into your food as you eat. Yes, they&#8217;re ultimately disposable, but they are made from what would otherwise be agricultural waste, burnt. They take very little energy to make, apparently only a bit more than the CEO&#8217;s little NYC apartment. They are washable (I&#8217;ve used mine more then 10 times now) and compost quickly, no special environment needed.</p>
<p>So, while using and reusing real plates is desirable ultimately, when a situation calls for other options, Verterra would seem to be a great option. Check them out at <a href="http://www.verterra.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.verterra.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here here!  i havent had a chance to read every comment, so sorry if i&#039;m being repetitive.  once again, you have hit on issues i think about ALL the time!  i&#039;ll never understand why disposables are always the first choice.  I read what one reader wrote about the hoops an organization has to jump through to deal with cleaning dishes.  it seems like those hoops would have been worth it in long-term cost savings alone for microsoft.  not only would they not have to buy all these materials, but they would have to deal with industrial composting of them.  yes, it would require a little more labor, time, etc. to wash dishes, but that seems worth it - especially if they are trying to be an &quot;eco&quot; cafeteria.  Your comment about the mugs is extra important.  The company could give out (or even sell) metal mugs with their logo and encourage people to use them.  They would save SO much money on disposable cups AND wouldnt even have to deal with washing them, because individuals would be responsible for their own - it would be a win, win.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This issue is so tied in with bio-fuel issues.  Making fuel from corn is still very energy intensive and takes space to grow, and draws from the international food supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here here!  i havent had a chance to read every comment, so sorry if i&#8217;m being repetitive.  once again, you have hit on issues i think about ALL the time!  i&#8217;ll never understand why disposables are always the first choice.  I read what one reader wrote about the hoops an organization has to jump through to deal with cleaning dishes.  it seems like those hoops would have been worth it in long-term cost savings alone for microsoft.  not only would they not have to buy all these materials, but they would have to deal with industrial composting of them.  yes, it would require a little more labor, time, etc. to wash dishes, but that seems worth it &#8211; especially if they are trying to be an &#8220;eco&#8221; cafeteria.  Your comment about the mugs is extra important.  The company could give out (or even sell) metal mugs with their logo and encourage people to use them.  They would save SO much money on disposable cups AND wouldnt even have to deal with washing them, because individuals would be responsible for their own &#8211; it would be a win, win.</p>
<p>This issue is so tied in with bio-fuel issues.  Making fuel from corn is still very energy intensive and takes space to grow, and draws from the international food supply.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree somewhat with Kimba about having reusable products vs. compostable products.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While I understand the need to reduce the amount of waste that ends up in our land fills, we should also work on reducing our overall impact on the environment.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As Kimba pointed out, to reuse plates and utensils in a public setting requires lots of water, industrial machines, and soaps and chemicals for disinfecting.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Energy is needed not only for running the machines in the kitchen, but also to treat the water before it comes out of the faucet and after it goes down the drain, and to keep that water hot to properly clean the dishes.  All of that energy?  Probably not renewable (at least not a significant chunck), meaning pollutants are released into the environment.  And the soap that follows the water down the drain?  Sorry to burst your bubble, but even the best waste water treatment plants can&#039;t separate all the soap from the water, and studies have been done showing how this is affecting fish.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So there are arguments to be had on both sides.  Yes, I know that a lot of energy probably goes into making the compostable utensils, which ultimately end up in a land fill.  But is the impact to the environment more than for companies to properly clean their dishes?  Unlike in a home where you can get away with cleaning dishes once a day or less, companies which wash their dishes do so several times a day.  That&#039;s a lot of water, and a lot of energy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree somewhat with Kimba about having reusable products vs. compostable products.</p>
<p>While I understand the need to reduce the amount of waste that ends up in our land fills, we should also work on reducing our overall impact on the environment.  </p>
<p>As Kimba pointed out, to reuse plates and utensils in a public setting requires lots of water, industrial machines, and soaps and chemicals for disinfecting.  </p>
<p>Energy is needed not only for running the machines in the kitchen, but also to treat the water before it comes out of the faucet and after it goes down the drain, and to keep that water hot to properly clean the dishes.  All of that energy?  Probably not renewable (at least not a significant chunck), meaning pollutants are released into the environment.  And the soap that follows the water down the drain?  Sorry to burst your bubble, but even the best waste water treatment plants can&#8217;t separate all the soap from the water, and studies have been done showing how this is affecting fish.</p>
<p>So there are arguments to be had on both sides.  Yes, I know that a lot of energy probably goes into making the compostable utensils, which ultimately end up in a land fill.  But is the impact to the environment more than for companies to properly clean their dishes?  Unlike in a home where you can get away with cleaning dishes once a day or less, companies which wash their dishes do so several times a day.  That&#8217;s a lot of water, and a lot of energy.</p>
<p>Just something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth - I had purchased compostable wine glasses for a professional event and then the night before (as in the middle of the night) I realized I just couldn&#039;t use them. Two hours before the event I rented 200 glasses and I&#039;m very glad I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth &#8211; I had purchased compostable wine glasses for a professional event and then the night before (as in the middle of the night) I realized I just couldn&#8217;t use them. Two hours before the event I rented 200 glasses and I&#8217;m very glad I did.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa_emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa_emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, even though I think compostable plastic is little better, I agree that it is not good enough. There is some very strange psychology that motivates our disposable culture, which I cannot understand. It is a laziness mixed in with a germ-paranoia. Case in point, my office: it has a dishwasher (so needing to wash dishes would not be an issue) and it has real plates, cutlery, and cups- yet most of the employees want to use paper plates, plastic utensils and styrofoam cups. I think for some it is just simply really bad, deeply ingrained habits to use disposables. For others- I think having a fork that another mouth may have touched freaks them out somehow. I cannot figure it out. I personally use the durable stuff and will rather use my hands than plastic utensils. I will not allow myself to even get a cup of coffee to go unless I bring my own cup. But it is disheartening to be around people, who are otherwise nice and decent, and yet stand by and watch them add to the plastic refuse pile- it kills me. I do try to subtly inject a little anti-plastic awareness into conversations- and also to let them know about environmental issues- but I need to balance this. I don&#039;t want to become the preachy-office-bore, because then no one will listen. I have made slight inroads, but it is very slow progress. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, it is heartening to find like-minded people out there, and its inspiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, even though I think compostable plastic is little better, I agree that it is not good enough. There is some very strange psychology that motivates our disposable culture, which I cannot understand. It is a laziness mixed in with a germ-paranoia. Case in point, my office: it has a dishwasher (so needing to wash dishes would not be an issue) and it has real plates, cutlery, and cups- yet most of the employees want to use paper plates, plastic utensils and styrofoam cups. I think for some it is just simply really bad, deeply ingrained habits to use disposables. For others- I think having a fork that another mouth may have touched freaks them out somehow. I cannot figure it out. I personally use the durable stuff and will rather use my hands than plastic utensils. I will not allow myself to even get a cup of coffee to go unless I bring my own cup. But it is disheartening to be around people, who are otherwise nice and decent, and yet stand by and watch them add to the plastic refuse pile- it kills me. I do try to subtly inject a little anti-plastic awareness into conversations- and also to let them know about environmental issues- but I need to balance this. I don&#8217;t want to become the preachy-office-bore, because then no one will listen. I have made slight inroads, but it is very slow progress. </p>
<p>Anyway, it is heartening to find like-minded people out there, and its inspiring.</p>
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		<title>By: ALMOST MRS AVERAGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALMOST MRS AVERAGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth - I have the same musings, especially in restaurants that have wooden disposable cutlery.  On a lighter note, I have an award waiting for you over at The Rubbish Diet, with thanks for all the work that you put in and the inspirational message that comes with it.  Please pop over when you&#039;re ready ;-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth &#8211; I have the same musings, especially in restaurants that have wooden disposable cutlery.  On a lighter note, I have an award waiting for you over at The Rubbish Diet, with thanks for all the work that you put in and the inspirational message that comes with it.  Please pop over when you&#8217;re ready ;-D</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnet</title>
		<link>http://fakeplasticfish.com/2008/08/just-because-we-can-doesnt-mean-we/comment-page-1/#comment-3332</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for HP for 16 years, and they had industrial china dishes and mugs, heavy-duty plastic glasses that were washed, and stainless steel forks, knives and spoons (cheap but serviceable).  The only thing that got thrown away was paper napkins.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No reason why Microsoft can&#039;t do the same.  The capital expenditure of dishwashing equipment will pay for itself in short order.  Meals are so much more enjoyable with real plates, mugs and utensils.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have a little set of stainless knife,fork,spoon in a travel pouch that I keep in my car.  I take water with me in a glass bottle.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We stopped using paper towels last year.  My husband was surprised when the paper towels disappeared and a stack of bar rags appeared in their place, but he coped just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for HP for 16 years, and they had industrial china dishes and mugs, heavy-duty plastic glasses that were washed, and stainless steel forks, knives and spoons (cheap but serviceable).  The only thing that got thrown away was paper napkins.  </p>
<p>No reason why Microsoft can&#8217;t do the same.  The capital expenditure of dishwashing equipment will pay for itself in short order.  Meals are so much more enjoyable with real plates, mugs and utensils.  </p>
<p>I have a little set of stainless knife,fork,spoon in a travel pouch that I keep in my car.  I take water with me in a glass bottle.  </p>
<p>We stopped using paper towels last year.  My husband was surprised when the paper towels disappeared and a stack of bar rags appeared in their place, but he coped just fine.</p>
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