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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ariane,

You are right! No plastic is best! ALL plastic is horrible for the environment in the manufacturing stage! I handle the product situation as best I can this way:

1. I discourage the purchase of new packaging by offering bulk, reused and fill your own container options. I even overprice new containers and discount heavily for refilling. I show the cost of packaging on the receipt.

2. I choose the least offensive new packaging possible. This means that bakelite is the least offensive cap I can get for my glass jars and bottles. Although it&#039;s plastic with all its incumbent chemical nastiness, it&#039;s also made with wood fibre and other more natural wastes and is more like ceramic in its end of life impact. In any case, my other options are horrible soft metal and plastic composites that are more fragile and more absorbent.

3. I love the storage jars you recommend, but they won&#039;t replace bottles and the bottles I have with that sort of lid are impossible to sanitize for commercial reuse. Plus essential oils eat the rubber gaskets. This is not natural real rubber anyhow - it&#039;s a petroleum latex thingy I&#039;m told! In anycase, I have jars like this inmy kitchen - some 30-100 years old! I bought a large cork for my 100 year old milk bottle. I adore old containers!

I tried for 2 years to sell shampoo and conditioner in glass bottles, but people kept buying plastic crap to fill at the clinic. so I sourced aluminum... against, the best imperfect option I could find.

So given that every container we&#039;ve talked about is highly manufactured, we need to respect everything we&#039;ve got on the planet already and cultivate a culture of repairing and refilling.

Any new packaging ideas, please email me at anarreshealth@gmail.com . I need all the help I can get!

Love &amp; RRRevolution, Tracey
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ariane,</p>
<p>You are right! No plastic is best! ALL plastic is horrible for the environment in the manufacturing stage! I handle the product situation as best I can this way:</p>
<p>1. I discourage the purchase of new packaging by offering bulk, reused and fill your own container options. I even overprice new containers and discount heavily for refilling. I show the cost of packaging on the receipt.</p>
<p>2. I choose the least offensive new packaging possible. This means that bakelite is the least offensive cap I can get for my glass jars and bottles. Although it&#8217;s plastic with all its incumbent chemical nastiness, it&#8217;s also made with wood fibre and other more natural wastes and is more like ceramic in its end of life impact. In any case, my other options are horrible soft metal and plastic composites that are more fragile and more absorbent.</p>
<p>3. I love the storage jars you recommend, but they won&#8217;t replace bottles and the bottles I have with that sort of lid are impossible to sanitize for commercial reuse. Plus essential oils eat the rubber gaskets. This is not natural real rubber anyhow &#8211; it&#8217;s a petroleum latex thingy I&#8217;m told! In anycase, I have jars like this inmy kitchen &#8211; some 30-100 years old! I bought a large cork for my 100 year old milk bottle. I adore old containers!</p>
<p>I tried for 2 years to sell shampoo and conditioner in glass bottles, but people kept buying plastic crap to fill at the clinic. so I sourced aluminum&#8230; against, the best imperfect option I could find.</p>
<p>So given that every container we&#8217;ve talked about is highly manufactured, we need to respect everything we&#8217;ve got on the planet already and cultivate a culture of repairing and refilling.</p>
<p>Any new packaging ideas, please email me at <a href="mailto:anarreshealth@gmail.com">anarreshealth@gmail.com</a> . I need all the help I can get!</p>
<p>Love &amp; RRRevolution, Tracey<br />
<span class="cluv"> Tracey´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.anarreshealth.ca/node/678" rel="nofollow">Join the Anarres Natural Health Community, on Kiva</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://fakeplasticfish.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ariane</title>
		<link>http://fakeplasticfish.com/2008/08/product-tames-frizzies-without/comment-page-1/#comment-10423</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Anarres Natural Health, bakelite is also made with formaldehyde, which is EXTREMELY poisonous to our environment. I guess no plastic is really safe. 

my favorite storing jars are these: http://www.kookwinkel.nl/upload/Producten/Spulletjes/Sappen%20en%20wecken/tn/IMG_8989%20Weckpot%20met%20beugelsluiting.jpg 

however, i have no idea whether those are even available in the states. you can get them from really tiny (perfect for hair products such as these) to really large (a gallon or so) 
theyre just made with glass, metal and natural rubber lids. no plastic involved, no silicon involved, and they can store airtight.

the only downside if youve had them for about 20 years, the rubber lid gets old and actually crumbled into tons of little pieces. but over here they also sell the rubber rings separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Anarres Natural Health, bakelite is also made with formaldehyde, which is EXTREMELY poisonous to our environment. I guess no plastic is really safe. </p>
<p>my favorite storing jars are these: <a href="http://www.kookwinkel.nl/upload/Producten/Spulletjes/Sappen%20en%20wecken/tn/IMG_8989%20Weckpot%20met%20beugelsluiting.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.kookwinkel.nl/upload/Producten/Spulletjes/Sappen%20en%20wecken/tn/IMG_8989%20Weckpot%20met%20beugelsluiting.jpg</a> </p>
<p>however, i have no idea whether those are even available in the states. you can get them from really tiny (perfect for hair products such as these) to really large (a gallon or so)<br />
theyre just made with glass, metal and natural rubber lids. no plastic involved, no silicon involved, and they can store airtight.</p>
<p>the only downside if youve had them for about 20 years, the rubber lid gets old and actually crumbled into tons of little pieces. but over here they also sell the rubber rings separately.</p>
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		<title>By: Greencat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greencat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jojoba oil is lighter on the hair than olive oil (which I used for years smelling like a salad).  Jojoba is technically a wax not oil , or so I&#039;ve read, but it goes on smooth and doesnt leave the hair greasy.  You can also add a nice fragrant essential oil to it.  Definitely gets the frizz.  My latest experiment with making shampoo was a failure but I will keep trying.  Anyone have any tips?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jojoba oil is lighter on the hair than olive oil (which I used for years smelling like a salad).  Jojoba is technically a wax not oil , or so I&#8217;ve read, but it goes on smooth and doesnt leave the hair greasy.  You can also add a nice fragrant essential oil to it.  Definitely gets the frizz.  My latest experiment with making shampoo was a failure but I will keep trying.  Anyone have any tips?</p>
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		<title>By: Cave-Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cave-Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For frizzies, I&#039;m been using the smallest amount of olive oil.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seems to work.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not great, but functional.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to your leftover conditioner with extra ingredients...perhaps mail it back to the company with an explanation of why you are no longer going to be using their product.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Best wishes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For frizzies, I&#8217;m been using the smallest amount of olive oil.</p>
<p>Seems to work.</p>
<p>Not great, but functional.</p>
<p>As to your leftover conditioner with extra ingredients&#8230;perhaps mail it back to the company with an explanation of why you are no longer going to be using their product.</p>
<p>Best wishes!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah in Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah in Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than fragrance, or even &quot;natural fragrance,&quot; perhaps they could put citrus oil on the label.  As Rachel said, &quot;People could tell it was citrus, but not what kind.&quot;  It think that those of us trained to avoid anything with the world &quot;fragrance&quot; on it would be satisfied by that.  And it would add a new element of mystery since people wouldn&#039;t know that the citrus oil was purely for fragrance, it might have essential anti-frizz qualities. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than fragrance, or even &#8220;natural fragrance,&#8221; perhaps they could put citrus oil on the label.  As Rachel said, &#8220;People could tell it was citrus, but not what kind.&#8221;  It think that those of us trained to avoid anything with the world &#8220;fragrance&#8221; on it would be satisfied by that.  And it would add a new element of mystery since people wouldn&#8217;t know that the citrus oil was purely for fragrance, it might have essential anti-frizz qualities. <img src='http://fakeplasticfish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greencat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greencat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For frizzies, let flax seeds soak over night and put the gelatinous goo it makes in an old leftover spray bottle and spray it on.  I&#039;m also experimenting with a little sea salt and trace minerals in distilled water, sprayed on for conditioning and natural highlights.   Forget containers.  Make it yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For frizzies, let flax seeds soak over night and put the gelatinous goo it makes in an old leftover spray bottle and spray it on.  I&#8217;m also experimenting with a little sea salt and trace minerals in distilled water, sprayed on for conditioning and natural highlights.   Forget containers.  Make it yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started reading your blog a couple of weeks ago having been linked through from Chris at the BBC who is trying to go a month without disposable plastic and is logging all her plastic rubbish.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have already been inspired to try the Lush shampoo bar, and I have to say, 2 weeks in, I&#039;m thrilled with it!!   Normally I try all sort of different shampoos and end up with a scritchy head, but my scalp is feeling much better already.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My husband has been complaining about not being able to find the right styling product for his hair, so I shall point him in this direction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not too sure I&#039;m ready to try the baking soda thing yet though, hubby thinks I&#039;m mad for replacing the daily shower spray with a vinegar solution, so it&#039;s one small step at a time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started reading your blog a couple of weeks ago having been linked through from Chris at the BBC who is trying to go a month without disposable plastic and is logging all her plastic rubbish.</p>
<p>I have already been inspired to try the Lush shampoo bar, and I have to say, 2 weeks in, I&#8217;m thrilled with it!!   Normally I try all sort of different shampoos and end up with a scritchy head, but my scalp is feeling much better already.</p>
<p>My husband has been complaining about not being able to find the right styling product for his hair, so I shall point him in this direction.</p>
<p>Not too sure I&#8217;m ready to try the baking soda thing yet though, hubby thinks I&#8217;m mad for replacing the daily shower spray with a vinegar solution, so it&#8217;s one small step at a time!</p>
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		<title>By: Green Bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice.  I just bought some John Masters Organics hair texturizer that is bourbon (oh yeah!) vanilla orange.  Mine has 9 ingredients and also a plastic lid.  Looks like you win. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.  I just bought some John Masters Organics hair texturizer that is bourbon (oh yeah!) vanilla orange.  Mine has 9 ingredients and also a plastic lid.  Looks like you win. <img src='http://fakeplasticfish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anarres Natural Health</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anarres Natural Health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops, on second look, that lid looks like high density polyetheleyne. Here&#039;s my beloved bakelite option for a 60 ml apothecary blue glass jar, alongside the more harmful metal plastic combo options:&lt;br/&gt;http://www.newdirectionsaromatics.ca/caps.php?cPath=2_80&amp;products_id=118&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bakelite is relatively natural and harmless, made from resin and wood flours:&lt;br/&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, there&#039;s always a lid liner of thing styrofoamy stuff that might someday be replaced with a waste fruit leather type film?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Love &amp; RRRevolution, Tracey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, on second look, that lid looks like high density polyetheleyne. Here&#39;s my beloved bakelite option for a 60 ml apothecary blue glass jar, alongside the more harmful metal plastic combo options:<br /><a href="http://www.newdirectionsaromatics.ca/caps.php?cPath=2_80&amp;products_id=118" rel="nofollow">http://www.newdirectionsaromatics.ca/caps.php?cPath=2_80&amp;products_id=118</a></p>
<p>Bakelite is relatively natural and harmless, made from resin and wood flours:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite</a></p>
<p>Of course, there&#39;s always a lid liner of thing styrofoamy stuff that might someday be replaced with a waste fruit leather type film?</p>
<p>Love &amp; RRRevolution, Tracey</p>
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		<title>By: Anarres Natural Health</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anarres Natural Health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your lid may be bakelite, the oldest, safest form of plastic in my opinion. The lids are made specifically for the jars, so there&#039;s not much in the way of interchanging unless the manufacturer develops options. I have some metal lids, but they deform and often need replacing, don&#039;t hold oils or fluids in, and have plastic components anyhow. Bakelite so far as I know is rock-like and pretty inert in landfill. I don&#039;t think wild life are attracted to it at all. It&#039;s safer than ashphalt when disposed of. It can shatter, but my attrition rate is only 3 or so a year, and I deal with thousands of containers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If anyone has new info about bakelite, I&#039;d love to hear it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The ingredients look great, but your correspondent is mistaken in speaking of aloe vera oil - it&#039;s water soluble and comes in gel or juice form only. I wonder what emulsifies the mixture? I&#039;m getting into the lab thing any second now! As for fragrance, that it almost always a euphemism for synthetics and solvent extracted horrors. I wouldn&#039;t even trust the term &quot;natural fragrance&quot;. Uranium is natural - so are the glands of animals and the stress urine of whales, and these are natural fragrances! What&#039;s the harm in just stating that it&#039;s tangerine? Anyone with the sense to copy their recipe  would know that:&lt;br/&gt;a) it&#039;s tangerine because it doesn&#039;t smell like orange or mandarin essential oil&lt;br/&gt;b) it&#039;s not a good fragrance to use because it photosensitizes the skin and hair, leading to a risk of burning the kin and lightening and damaging the hair. Unless they have deterpinated it, in which case it&#039;s no longer natural and is irritating on a deeper level. I would use a lavender bulgarian or a cedarwood essential oil. Natural only means not adulterated with chemicals or other oils.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s fabulous that they&#039;ve made a natural hair product that demystifies things to a large extent and that comes in a glass jar! I wish that we who make things could get stores and customers to make the leap into refilling things locally. That would make my life feel complete!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth,</p>
<p>Your lid may be bakelite, the oldest, safest form of plastic in my opinion. The lids are made specifically for the jars, so there&#8217;s not much in the way of interchanging unless the manufacturer develops options. I have some metal lids, but they deform and often need replacing, don&#8217;t hold oils or fluids in, and have plastic components anyhow. Bakelite so far as I know is rock-like and pretty inert in landfill. I don&#8217;t think wild life are attracted to it at all. It&#8217;s safer than ashphalt when disposed of. It can shatter, but my attrition rate is only 3 or so a year, and I deal with thousands of containers.</p>
<p>If anyone has new info about bakelite, I&#8217;d love to hear it.</p>
<p>The ingredients look great, but your correspondent is mistaken in speaking of aloe vera oil &#8211; it&#8217;s water soluble and comes in gel or juice form only. I wonder what emulsifies the mixture? I&#8217;m getting into the lab thing any second now! As for fragrance, that it almost always a euphemism for synthetics and solvent extracted horrors. I wouldn&#8217;t even trust the term &#8220;natural fragrance&#8221;. Uranium is natural &#8211; so are the glands of animals and the stress urine of whales, and these are natural fragrances! What&#8217;s the harm in just stating that it&#8217;s tangerine? Anyone with the sense to copy their recipe  would know that:<br />a) it&#8217;s tangerine because it doesn&#8217;t smell like orange or mandarin essential oil<br />b) it&#8217;s not a good fragrance to use because it photosensitizes the skin and hair, leading to a risk of burning the kin and lightening and damaging the hair. Unless they have deterpinated it, in which case it&#8217;s no longer natural and is irritating on a deeper level. I would use a lavender bulgarian or a cedarwood essential oil. Natural only means not adulterated with chemicals or other oils.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fabulous that they&#8217;ve made a natural hair product that demystifies things to a large extent and that comes in a glass jar! I wish that we who make things could get stores and customers to make the leap into refilling things locally. That would make my life feel complete!</p>
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