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		<title>By: Don Hennig, PE</title>
		<link>http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/03/plastic-into-oil-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-10413</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hennig, PE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAN 2010

Plas2Fuel&#039;s conversion process represents, I suspect, a true and dramatic &quot;Paradign Shift&quot; is plastics recycling worldwide.  Early, possibly overly optimistic, projections suggest that as much as 20 to 40% of US solid wastes to landfills will be diverted and recycled with a &quot;overall BTU recovery rate above 60%&quot;.  With a Portland, Oregon area 1,200 gallon per day revcovery plant in siting approval process in Februry 2010, the Plas2Fuel process is poised for dramatic success and recognition.

The possiblitlity that the Plas2Fuel process will be used to recover the 300,000 square miles of Pacific Ocean floating plastic debris is a particularly attractive engineering and environmental proposal.  A $100 million floating conversion/recovery plant could utilize PV solar, wave energy technologies and a fraction of product oil to generate up to 25,000 gallons per day  of high grade synthetic oil.

Don B. Hennig, PE</description>
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<p>Plas2Fuel&#8217;s conversion process represents, I suspect, a true and dramatic &#8220;Paradign Shift&#8221; is plastics recycling worldwide.  Early, possibly overly optimistic, projections suggest that as much as 20 to 40% of US solid wastes to landfills will be diverted and recycled with a &#8220;overall BTU recovery rate above 60%&#8221;.  With a Portland, Oregon area 1,200 gallon per day revcovery plant in siting approval process in Februry 2010, the Plas2Fuel process is poised for dramatic success and recognition.</p>
<p>The possiblitlity that the Plas2Fuel process will be used to recover the 300,000 square miles of Pacific Ocean floating plastic debris is a particularly attractive engineering and environmental proposal.  A $100 million floating conversion/recovery plant could utilize PV solar, wave energy technologies and a fraction of product oil to generate up to 25,000 gallons per day  of high grade synthetic oil.</p>
<p>Don B. Hennig, PE</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comes in late, but today Oct 6th there was a new buzz about plastic-to-oil process, and a different company &quot;Envion&quot; doing it. Perhaps a little different process - Envion claims to be able to do it for $10/bbl. [compare to tar sands at $25/bbl, or conventional at between $5/bbl and $15/bbl. 

But ya, I love the idea. It is still oil, but at least it cleans up the plastic and reduces imports and drilling and, if only.... it could reduce Tar Sands expansion [they intend to QUADRUPLE it over the next 10 years] .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comes in late, but today Oct 6th there was a new buzz about plastic-to-oil process, and a different company &#8220;Envion&#8221; doing it. Perhaps a little different process &#8211; Envion claims to be able to do it for $10/bbl. [compare to tar sands at $25/bbl, or conventional at between $5/bbl and $15/bbl. </p>
<p>But ya, I love the idea. It is still oil, but at least it cleans up the plastic and reduces imports and drilling and, if only.... it could reduce Tar Sands expansion [they intend to QUADRUPLE it over the next 10 years] .</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment was posted by Anonymous on my old Blogger site today.  I&#039;m copying it here to add to the discussion:

&quot;I have to agree with Alanna. There are way too many people who really don&#039;t care, or don&#039;t want to be inconvenienced with changing the way they do things, so the amount of plastics that can be reused will stay pretty consistent. Might as well put it to good use and reduce the amount of virgin material used.
I recently decided to become as plastic-free as possible and am glad to have found this site. My recycling company is picky about what they accept, so I searched and found a place I can take the sour cream and yogurt cups and switched to butter in a box, among other changes. Thanks for what you&#039;re doing!! &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment was posted by Anonymous on my old Blogger site today.  I&#8217;m copying it here to add to the discussion:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have to agree with Alanna. There are way too many people who really don&#8217;t care, or don&#8217;t want to be inconvenienced with changing the way they do things, so the amount of plastics that can be reused will stay pretty consistent. Might as well put it to good use and reduce the amount of virgin material used.<br />
I recently decided to become as plastic-free as possible and am glad to have found this site. My recycling company is picky about what they accept, so I searched and found a place I can take the sour cream and yogurt cups and switched to butter in a box, among other changes. Thanks for what you&#8217;re doing!! &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m a chemist.Try to imagine that all those plastics are made from petroleum. So if we get this petroleum back from those plastics which we cannot reuse, we can make new - clean plastics again! What&#039;s more, petroleum jelly, white oils, clean gasoline which are used in cosmetics are also made from petroleum so it isn&#039;t problem to produce such a clean hydrocarbon products from plastics - there are some standard petrochemical processes (like hydrorefining) for making high-quality petroleum products for cosmetics and all those processes can be also used for this &quot;plastic&quot;-petroleum.&lt;br /&gt;This is really great idea to make plastics not just a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />I&#8217;m a chemist.Try to imagine that all those plastics are made from petroleum. So if we get this petroleum back from those plastics which we cannot reuse, we can make new &#8211; clean plastics again! What&#8217;s more, petroleum jelly, white oils, clean gasoline which are used in cosmetics are also made from petroleum so it isn&#8217;t problem to produce such a clean hydrocarbon products from plastics &#8211; there are some standard petrochemical processes (like hydrorefining) for making high-quality petroleum products for cosmetics and all those processes can be also used for this &#8220;plastic&#8221;-petroleum.<br />This is really great idea to make plastics not just a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: HydroBooster</title>
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		<dc:creator>HydroBooster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walking comes before running.  I would love to see our planet run on hydrogen and cleanly generated electricity.  But it takes time to get there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a great intermediate step since it takes one of our problems and uses it to mitigate another of our problems while we work on the longer-ranged final solutions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn&#039;t see anyone mention &#039;carbon neutral&#039;.  Perhaps it is an concept that doesn&#039;t get enough press.  In essence, making fuel out of carbon that is already on the surface of the planet is not pumping more carbon into the cycle.  In fact, the process actually removes carbon not only from our landfills, but also turns it into useful charcoal, or carbon black which can be put into the soil and used by plants, or added to tires.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carbon is in demand in the commercial sector and will become even more of a traded product as we perfect new technologies such as carbon nano-tubes (a very strong substance).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As long as it&#039;s here, let&#039;s make it useful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now ... back to our regularly scheduled program of discussing how to reduce what we use ... perhaps carbon nanotubes can be added to glass to make it thinner and less breakable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walking comes before running.  I would love to see our planet run on hydrogen and cleanly generated electricity.  But it takes time to get there.</p>
<p>This is a great intermediate step since it takes one of our problems and uses it to mitigate another of our problems while we work on the longer-ranged final solutions.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see anyone mention &#8216;carbon neutral&#8217;.  Perhaps it is an concept that doesn&#8217;t get enough press.  In essence, making fuel out of carbon that is already on the surface of the planet is not pumping more carbon into the cycle.  In fact, the process actually removes carbon not only from our landfills, but also turns it into useful charcoal, or carbon black which can be put into the soil and used by plants, or added to tires.</p>
<p>Carbon is in demand in the commercial sector and will become even more of a traded product as we perfect new technologies such as carbon nano-tubes (a very strong substance).</p>
<p>As long as it&#8217;s here, let&#8217;s make it useful.</p>
<p>Now &#8230; back to our regularly scheduled program of discussing how to reduce what we use &#8230; perhaps carbon nanotubes can be added to glass to make it thinner and less breakable?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Walk</title>
		<link>http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/03/plastic-into-oil-what-do-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-5374</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Walk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great point in con #2 re: absolution.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i think you&#039;re onto something with it. feeling like it&#039;s ok to create more plastic waste because - hey! it&#039;s not waste at all! it&#039;s fuel! - sounds exactly like human nature, unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great point in con #2 re: absolution.</p>
<p>i think you&#8217;re onto something with it. feeling like it&#8217;s ok to create more plastic waste because &#8211; hey! it&#8217;s not waste at all! it&#8217;s fuel! &#8211; sounds exactly like human nature, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think finding ways to use old plastic *has* to cause us to make more - we went on a trash-picking-up walk on Sunday and I don&#039;t believe we&#039;ll *ever* run out of plastic waste.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The thing that has to change is the culture - either we&#039;re gonna clean up, or we&#039;re not. If we are going to use less plastic and less oil, finding something to do with the old stuff is good. If we&#039;re not going to change our culture, we&#039;ll use whatever technology we develop as a screen to hide how bad things are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think finding ways to use old plastic *has* to cause us to make more &#8211; we went on a trash-picking-up walk on Sunday and I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;ll *ever* run out of plastic waste.</p>
<p>The thing that has to change is the culture &#8211; either we&#8217;re gonna clean up, or we&#8217;re not. If we are going to use less plastic and less oil, finding something to do with the old stuff is good. If we&#8217;re not going to change our culture, we&#8217;ll use whatever technology we develop as a screen to hide how bad things are.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiot's Run</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chiot's Run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like that process would be very energy intensive.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think we need to focus more on reducing consumption and damn one-use items.  I HATE that almost everything I want to buy comes in a piece of plastic that I have to recycle.  This is why I try to grow my own food, no bags or boxes invovled.  I make my own honey (well the bees do) and just about everything I can.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t believe that anyone in their right mind would think that using these biproducts in things like makeup are safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like that process would be very energy intensive.  </p>
<p>I think we need to focus more on reducing consumption and damn one-use items.  I HATE that almost everything I want to buy comes in a piece of plastic that I have to recycle.  This is why I try to grow my own food, no bags or boxes invovled.  I make my own honey (well the bees do) and just about everything I can.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that anyone in their right mind would think that using these biproducts in things like makeup are safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reduce is first, then re-use, then recycle. We need to reduce our plastic, period. There is too much plastic everywhere, plastic bags especially, particularly in trees and cows actually eat them in India. We need to get it out of the hands of people that don&#039;t care. Second, re-use as is, keep them out of the waste stream, then recycle-it costs energy to do that, putting more greenhouse gases into the air. If you convert to oil that adds more, so I would say this is the last thing you want to do, next to trashing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reduce is first, then re-use, then recycle. We need to reduce our plastic, period. There is too much plastic everywhere, plastic bags especially, particularly in trees and cows actually eat them in India. We need to get it out of the hands of people that don&#8217;t care. Second, re-use as is, keep them out of the waste stream, then recycle-it costs energy to do that, putting more greenhouse gases into the air. If you convert to oil that adds more, so I would say this is the last thing you want to do, next to trashing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reduce is first, then re-use, then recycle. We need to reduce our plastic, period. There is too much plastic everywhere, plastic bags especially, particularly in trees and cows actually eat them in India. We need to get it out of the hands of people that don&#039;t care. Second, re-use as is, keep them out of the waste stream, then recycle-it costs energy to do that, putting more greenhouse gases into the air. If you convert to oil that adds more, so I would say this is the last thing you want to do, next to trashing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reduce is first, then re-use, then recycle. We need to reduce our plastic, period. There is too much plastic everywhere, plastic bags especially, particularly in trees and cows actually eat them in India. We need to get it out of the hands of people that don&#8217;t care. Second, re-use as is, keep them out of the waste stream, then recycle-it costs energy to do that, putting more greenhouse gases into the air. If you convert to oil that adds more, so I would say this is the last thing you want to do, next to trashing it.</p>
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