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		<title>By: Year 3, Month 4 Results: 4.7 oz of Plastic Waste &#124; Fake Plastic Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Year 3, Month 4 Results: 4.7 oz of Plastic Waste &#124; Fake Plastic Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Not-a-sheep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not-a-sheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not sure what to make of Mr. Lauria’s unusual position and uncanny persistence on this blog…? Wait… wait a minute… I remember now. This is the same Tom Lauria that used to be a tobacco lobbyist. I knew you sounded familiar Tom, I’m glad to see you haven’t lost it. Always putting a good face on the well financed villain, I have to applaud your consistency. 

My Grandmother used to say “Who’s really the fool? Is it the fool himself or the person arguing with him” I would keep this in mind before you engage Mr. Lauria. He can’t be reasoned with but he can be bought.

Have a great weekend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure what to make of Mr. Lauria’s unusual position and uncanny persistence on this blog…? Wait… wait a minute… I remember now. This is the same Tom Lauria that used to be a tobacco lobbyist. I knew you sounded familiar Tom, I’m glad to see you haven’t lost it. Always putting a good face on the well financed villain, I have to applaud your consistency. </p>
<p>My Grandmother used to say “Who’s really the fool? Is it the fool himself or the person arguing with him” I would keep this in mind before you engage Mr. Lauria. He can’t be reasoned with but he can be bought.</p>
<p>Have a great weekend</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, i bet I contributed to the rise in the recycling rate of water bottles. 
 
The thing is, I never buy them. But once or twice a month we wander around our neighborhood and pick up trash out of the gutters, to keep the storm sewer grates clear (and because I have a little kid who thinks this is one of the most fun activities ever- treasure hunt!).
 
So even though I do not buy plastic-bottled water, ever, I recycle 2 or 3 plastic shopping bags full of them - flattened, usually, since they come from the street - every month. I can&#039;t even estimate the number. There are other things in there too - the high school kids must have a milk vending machine, they toss a lot of milk pint bottles, and some people still toss aluminum soda &amp; beer cans - but 90% of them are water bottles. People have really bought the idea that bottled water is good for you from industry hacks like Tom Lauria.

Our storm sewers discharge into the Mississippi River. Some of the bottles I miss probably get picked up by other people, some get caught in the settlement ponds the city has spent so much money to build the last decade or so...but most end up in the river, and from the river they go to the Gulf of Mexico, and then they&#039;re in open ocean.
 
So, hey, it&#039;s great 27% of the bottles sold get recycled - but 100% of the bottles NEVER SOLD do not need to be disposed of at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, i bet I contributed to the rise in the recycling rate of water bottles. </p>
<p>The thing is, I never buy them. But once or twice a month we wander around our neighborhood and pick up trash out of the gutters, to keep the storm sewer grates clear (and because I have a little kid who thinks this is one of the most fun activities ever- treasure hunt!).</p>
<p>So even though I do not buy plastic-bottled water, ever, I recycle 2 or 3 plastic shopping bags full of them &#8211; flattened, usually, since they come from the street &#8211; every month. I can&#8217;t even estimate the number. There are other things in there too &#8211; the high school kids must have a milk vending machine, they toss a lot of milk pint bottles, and some people still toss aluminum soda &amp; beer cans &#8211; but 90% of them are water bottles. People have really bought the idea that bottled water is good for you from industry hacks like Tom Lauria.</p>
<p>Our storm sewers discharge into the Mississippi River. Some of the bottles I miss probably get picked up by other people, some get caught in the settlement ponds the city has spent so much money to build the last decade or so&#8230;but most end up in the river, and from the river they go to the Gulf of Mexico, and then they&#8217;re in open ocean.</p>
<p>So, hey, it&#8217;s great 27% of the bottles sold get recycled &#8211; but 100% of the bottles NEVER SOLD do not need to be disposed of at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lauria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Lauria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen:  You have the IBWA position backwards.  We argue that FDA has jurisdiction over every bottled water operation in the country.  Every bottled water is heavily regulated by FDA.  It is the anti-bottled water activists that incorrectly argue that an alleged 40% of bottled water companies are not regulated.  That&#039;s completely false.  In many cases, IBWA&#039;s self-imposed standards are tougher than even FDA.  

EcoYogini:   Look up the Luddites in Wki.  You know, the Scots who violently charged the machine-operated fabric looms -- thrashing against the future with ignorance and fear.   Plastic is the backbone of the modern world!  It&#039;s not going anywhere.  It seems socially irresponsible to mount a wholesale protest/ backlash against the substance of plastic when it contributes so much to modern society and in most cases is easily recyclable.

So many blogs; so little time...this is my final comment here.  I&#039;ve enjoyed presenting our point of view here.  Thank you for allowing me to be your guest for a few days.   I will leave you with a newsflash:  in 2008, water bottles were recycled at 27% rate.  That&#039;s a 9% increase in only one year and a welcome trend we intend to encourage going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen:  You have the IBWA position backwards.  We argue that FDA has jurisdiction over every bottled water operation in the country.  Every bottled water is heavily regulated by FDA.  It is the anti-bottled water activists that incorrectly argue that an alleged 40% of bottled water companies are not regulated.  That&#8217;s completely false.  In many cases, IBWA&#8217;s self-imposed standards are tougher than even FDA.  </p>
<p>EcoYogini:   Look up the Luddites in Wki.  You know, the Scots who violently charged the machine-operated fabric looms &#8212; thrashing against the future with ignorance and fear.   Plastic is the backbone of the modern world!  It&#8217;s not going anywhere.  It seems socially irresponsible to mount a wholesale protest/ backlash against the substance of plastic when it contributes so much to modern society and in most cases is easily recyclable.</p>
<p>So many blogs; so little time&#8230;this is my final comment here.  I&#8217;ve enjoyed presenting our point of view here.  Thank you for allowing me to be your guest for a few days.   I will leave you with a newsflash:  in 2008, water bottles were recycled at 27% rate.  That&#8217;s a 9% increase in only one year and a welcome trend we intend to encourage going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to correct an inaccuracy I found in your post.  You wrote:  &quot;In fact, the FDA only regulates products in interstate commerce, which means that if a product like bottled water is produced and sold within the same state, the FDA has no jurisdiction over it at all.&quot;

I understand that this is probably something you got from the film.  But, it isn&#039;t true.  Congress&#039;, and the FDA&#039;s, control over bottled water does come from the Commerce Clause found in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution.  The US Supreme Court has ruled that under the Commerce Clause, Congress has jurisdiction to control &quot;persons and things in interstate Commerce even though the threat may come from intrastate commerce.&quot;  Bottling water for commercial distribution is a commercial activity and Congress does have jurisdiction over bottled water that is bottled and distributed within a single state.  

I usually take these types of films with a grain of salt because they employ manipulative story telling, and public ignorance of how the US government and industries work, to convey points (much like conservative talk radio).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to correct an inaccuracy I found in your post.  You wrote:  &#8220;In fact, the FDA only regulates products in interstate commerce, which means that if a product like bottled water is produced and sold within the same state, the FDA has no jurisdiction over it at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand that this is probably something you got from the film.  But, it isn&#8217;t true.  Congress&#8217;, and the FDA&#8217;s, control over bottled water does come from the Commerce Clause found in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution.  The US Supreme Court has ruled that under the Commerce Clause, Congress has jurisdiction to control &#8220;persons and things in interstate Commerce even though the threat may come from intrastate commerce.&#8221;  Bottling water for commercial distribution is a commercial activity and Congress does have jurisdiction over bottled water that is bottled and distributed within a single state.  </p>
<p>I usually take these types of films with a grain of salt because they employ manipulative story telling, and public ignorance of how the US government and industries work, to convey points (much like conservative talk radio).<br />
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		<title>By: EcoYogini</title>
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		<dc:creator>EcoYogini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bahahaha- seriously Tom? 
Usually I ignore ridiculous comments like yours- mostly because obviously you&#039;ve already made up your mind and I&#039;m hoping you&#039;re a small small statistic in and of yourself.
BUT... this is a little beyond. Let me kindly point out to you Tom- that Beth&#039;s entire site is about eliminating plastic. She has several sources on how actually- recycling plastic is not enough. Plastic is forever. Each new water bottle created will be around for-ev-er. 

As for the whole pollution-lead-greenhouse emissions circular discussion, regardless of my opinions (ruchi said it all best), Tom you are RIGHT. Clean and safe drinking water should be available TO ALL. Supporting an industry that makes something that should be Human Right into a commodity to be sold to only those who can pay ISN&#039;T something I morally agree with. Instead of investing your time and money into an industry that is all about co-opting water rights (ahem, ever heard of the Bolivian Water War?? No?? Didn&#039;t think so, please wiki), I will support a government and society that values water as a free human right.

By supporting FREE clean and safe water I: vote for leaders who will bring change and update our water system (i.e. those old lead pipes you keep referring too), continue to support the system that tests tap water more stringently than the bottled water companies (so that lead pipe theory is kinda cracked anyway), support a system that will continue to value lowering water tax costs and providing infrastructure that will eventually move towards providing clean and safe water to EVERYONE not just those who have housing.

Essentially, by bringing my Klean Kanteen filled with delicious, filtered TAP water so that I can conveniently drink water where ever and whenever I want while saving this planet thousands of plastic water bottles (and petrochemicals), I will be supporting a society that values water as a RIGHT and not a product.

Also- have you tasted plastic? I&#039;m sure that it&#039;s tasty and worth the risk... just as the awesome BPA leaching into the water probably adds a nice TANG to it, ya know?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bahahaha- seriously Tom?<br />
Usually I ignore ridiculous comments like yours- mostly because obviously you&#8217;ve already made up your mind and I&#8217;m hoping you&#8217;re a small small statistic in and of yourself.<br />
BUT&#8230; this is a little beyond. Let me kindly point out to you Tom- that Beth&#8217;s entire site is about eliminating plastic. She has several sources on how actually- recycling plastic is not enough. Plastic is forever. Each new water bottle created will be around for-ev-er. </p>
<p>As for the whole pollution-lead-greenhouse emissions circular discussion, regardless of my opinions (ruchi said it all best), Tom you are RIGHT. Clean and safe drinking water should be available TO ALL. Supporting an industry that makes something that should be Human Right into a commodity to be sold to only those who can pay ISN&#8217;T something I morally agree with. Instead of investing your time and money into an industry that is all about co-opting water rights (ahem, ever heard of the Bolivian Water War?? No?? Didn&#8217;t think so, please wiki), I will support a government and society that values water as a free human right.</p>
<p>By supporting FREE clean and safe water I: vote for leaders who will bring change and update our water system (i.e. those old lead pipes you keep referring too), continue to support the system that tests tap water more stringently than the bottled water companies (so that lead pipe theory is kinda cracked anyway), support a system that will continue to value lowering water tax costs and providing infrastructure that will eventually move towards providing clean and safe water to EVERYONE not just those who have housing.</p>
<p>Essentially, by bringing my Klean Kanteen filled with delicious, filtered TAP water so that I can conveniently drink water where ever and whenever I want while saving this planet thousands of plastic water bottles (and petrochemicals), I will be supporting a society that values water as a RIGHT and not a product.</p>
<p>Also- have you tasted plastic? I&#8217;m sure that it&#8217;s tasty and worth the risk&#8230; just as the awesome BPA leaching into the water probably adds a nice TANG to it, ya know?<br />
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		<title>By: This Weekend is All About Plastic &#124; Fake Plastic Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Weekend is All About Plastic &#124; Fake Plastic Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check out the comments on my blog review of Tapped and weigh in. A representative from the bottled water industry has been arguing the merits of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Lauria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Lauria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Abby:   Gallon for gallon, bottled water is tested MORE than tap water.  Plus, tap water is tested at the reservoir, not your kitchen tap.   Anything nasty that happens between the testing source and your tap is uncharted territory.  I refer you to a major investigative series of articles by the New York Times on unreported problems with tap water.  

Dear Chicken:  The FDA recommends consumers not eat plastic bottles, utensils or containers.  There is no known nutritional value and you are  removing valuable material from the recycling stream.  Let me know where yoyu live and I&#039;ll refer you to a family-owned water bottler, but be advised that they, too, will admonish you against eating the water container.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Abby:   Gallon for gallon, bottled water is tested MORE than tap water.  Plus, tap water is tested at the reservoir, not your kitchen tap.   Anything nasty that happens between the testing source and your tap is uncharted territory.  I refer you to a major investigative series of articles by the New York Times on unreported problems with tap water.  </p>
<p>Dear Chicken:  The FDA recommends consumers not eat plastic bottles, utensils or containers.  There is no known nutritional value and you are  removing valuable material from the recycling stream.  Let me know where yoyu live and I&#8217;ll refer you to a family-owned water bottler, but be advised that they, too, will admonish you against eating the water container.</p>
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		<title>By: Crunchy Chicken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crunchy Chicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally, I just drink tap water. I think it tastes great. When I&#039;m at home I drink straight from the tap since I don&#039;t like the filtered water from my GE Profile fridge because the water is too cold. When I&#039;m at work I drink the water from the kitchen sink. I am generally never at a loss for cups, mugs, or portable containers to fill said water from the tap. 

But, after reading all these compelling arguments from Tom, I&#039;ve decided that, perhaps, I&#039;m going about it all wrong. So, starting tomorrow, I&#039;m going to start drinking bottled water. I want to help support family businesses. And, now I&#039;m really scared that I&#039;m going to get H1N1 from the kitchen sink at work. I heard that Fiji water is the best, so I&#039;m going to try to find out where they sell it in my area. I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s a family company, but the bottles are really cool.

In fact, I&#039;m so excited about drinking bottled water and its positive effects on my life and other&#039;s, I think that the health benefits of drinking bottled water alone are not enough. Because of this, I&#039;m going to not only recycle the bottles when I&#039;m done drinking the delicious, chlorine-free water, but I am going to eat them. I suspect that the extra fiber in the plastic bottles will help contribute to my overall bowel health. Which is always a positive in my book. Does anyone know if digested plastic will clog my pipes?

I&#039;m thinking that just plain water in the plastic bottles isn&#039;t good enough, so I&#039;m also looking for a company that sells liquid plastic in plastic bottles to help quench my thirst. Does anyone know if such a product exists? I don&#039;t need flavored liquid plastic, just plain liquid plastic will do.

I&#039;m so excited about the thirst quenching satisfaction that my new lifestyle will afford me, I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ll be able to sleep tonight.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally, I just drink tap water. I think it tastes great. When I&#8217;m at home I drink straight from the tap since I don&#8217;t like the filtered water from my GE Profile fridge because the water is too cold. When I&#8217;m at work I drink the water from the kitchen sink. I am generally never at a loss for cups, mugs, or portable containers to fill said water from the tap. </p>
<p>But, after reading all these compelling arguments from Tom, I&#8217;ve decided that, perhaps, I&#8217;m going about it all wrong. So, starting tomorrow, I&#8217;m going to start drinking bottled water. I want to help support family businesses. And, now I&#8217;m really scared that I&#8217;m going to get H1N1 from the kitchen sink at work. I heard that Fiji water is the best, so I&#8217;m going to try to find out where they sell it in my area. I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s a family company, but the bottles are really cool.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;m so excited about drinking bottled water and its positive effects on my life and other&#8217;s, I think that the health benefits of drinking bottled water alone are not enough. Because of this, I&#8217;m going to not only recycle the bottles when I&#8217;m done drinking the delicious, chlorine-free water, but I am going to eat them. I suspect that the extra fiber in the plastic bottles will help contribute to my overall bowel health. Which is always a positive in my book. Does anyone know if digested plastic will clog my pipes?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that just plain water in the plastic bottles isn&#8217;t good enough, so I&#8217;m also looking for a company that sells liquid plastic in plastic bottles to help quench my thirst. Does anyone know if such a product exists? I don&#8217;t need flavored liquid plastic, just plain liquid plastic will do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so excited about the thirst quenching satisfaction that my new lifestyle will afford me, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll be able to sleep tonight.<br />
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		<title>By: abbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>abbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that tap water is more regulated and tested for safety than bottled water, so the &quot;old pipe&quot; argument doesn&#039;t (ahem) hold water.

And yes, all bottled beverages are mostly water, and therefore should be in the same category as bottled water.  I avoid them all!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that tap water is more regulated and tested for safety than bottled water, so the &#8220;old pipe&#8221; argument doesn&#8217;t (ahem) hold water.</p>
<p>And yes, all bottled beverages are mostly water, and therefore should be in the same category as bottled water.  I avoid them all!<br />
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